tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post5305050777148200129..comments2023-07-27T00:30:30.051-07:00Comments on THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE: FREEDOM OR SLAVERYTHE ANTI LIBERAL ZONEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15495366085857691285noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-83507180425429266792010-05-13T13:42:15.990-07:002010-05-13T13:42:15.990-07:00How funny,
One who quit college, quit college, and...How funny,<br />One who quit college, quit college, and occasionally quits threads denigrates the intelligence, ethics, and abilities of others.Pack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-35646839758678756202010-05-13T08:36:55.736-07:002010-05-13T08:36:55.736-07:00Ivan:
Thank you for the insight into your personal...Ivan:<br />Thank you for the insight into your personal beliefs.<br />Now instead of treating you with scorn, we of the Gunny's blog audience and comments community must treat you with much more tolerance and understanding.<br />Much like folks of another era treated the village idiot.Bucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-14830375860581448392010-05-12T17:33:55.985-07:002010-05-12T17:33:55.985-07:00No way Ivan,
As long as you put out scat, I will ...No way Ivan,<br /><br />As long as you put out scat, I will call your bluff on it.<br /><br />You are not clairvoyant, pettifoggerPack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-85470045826224875092010-05-12T15:38:38.232-07:002010-05-12T15:38:38.232-07:00At 13:22, Rat Pack uttered:
>I comprehend
Tha...At 13:22, Rat Pack uttered:<br /><br />>I comprehend<br /><br />That's another thing you're wrong about.<br /><br />You obviously comprehend nothing, and you're 'way too thick to waste time on.<br /><br />Go away, Ratty. At least until you have something intelligible to contribute.Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-83783543008923095662010-05-12T13:22:41.035-07:002010-05-12T13:22:41.035-07:00Not defending, just stating details, default, on y...Not defending, just stating details, default, on your part.<br /><br />"The genocidal intent WAS "acted upon." Whether it succeeded or not is irrelevant"<br /><br />Whether or not it succeeded made a hell of difference to those who lived or died.<br /><br />I comprehend that you twist, ignore and deflect.<br /><br /> What part of "it is uncertain whether or not their attempt was successful.[3]" don't you understand?Pack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-51909958914614195732010-05-12T11:49:04.413-07:002010-05-12T11:49:04.413-07:00At 09:59, Rat Pack blurted out:
>Read your own...At 09:59, Rat Pack blurted out:<br /><br />>Read your own source.<br /><br />I have. You apparently didn't, or failed to understand it.<br /><br />>Intent is totally diffrent from action.<br /><br />Let me make it simple for you, since you apparently require the greatest degree of simplicity:<br /><br />INTENT: "in hopes of spreading the disease to the Indians"<br />ACTION: "gave (the Indians) two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox."<br /><br />The genocidal intent WAS "acted upon." Whether it succeeded or not is irrelevant.<br /><br />Get it now? Game, set and match.<br /><br />Now tell me this: What the hell's wrong with you that you'd want to minimize such a shockingly cruel crime?<br /><br />Do you have some sort of obsession with defending racist murderers?Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-29359748542073648552010-05-12T09:59:44.615-07:002010-05-12T09:59:44.615-07:00Ivan, Ivan
"Idiot. The point isn't whethe...Ivan, Ivan<br />"Idiot. The point isn't whether the aboriginals ACTUALLY GOT smallpox, but the genocidal *intentions* of those whites who gave them the blankets"<br /><br />Read your own source.<br /><br />Intent is totally diffrent from action.<br />Just because one wants to choke another does not make that intent a problem unless it is acted upon.<br /><br />You agrue to avoid admitting your errors. And you still resort to insults: "semi-retarded bum-buddies ", do you have some sort of obsession with such terms?Pack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-68410525736014626662010-05-12T06:51:04.515-07:002010-05-12T06:51:04.515-07:00At 20:37, Rat Pack egested:
>even before the ...At 20:37, Rat Pack egested:<br /><br />>even before the blankets had been<br />>handed over, the disease may have<br />>been spread to the Indians by native<br />>warriors<br /><br />Idiot. The point isn't whether the aboriginals ACTUALLY GOT smallpox, but the genocidal *intentions* of those whites who gave them the blankets.<br /><br />Re "immerciful": Why do you bother to defend the indefensible? Just makes you look pathetically eager to try to prove Ivan wrong and win brownie points from your semi-retarded bum-buddies here, and quite stupid. There's no such word. In any dictionary. End of story.<br /><br />Wake up, Ratty. Life is too short to have to keep straightening you out.Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-75374636836302347412010-05-11T20:37:34.143-07:002010-05-11T20:37:34.143-07:00Ivan
" there's no such word as "imme...Ivan<br />" there's no such word as "immerciful," dumbass."<br /><br />Wrong again, while not in your dictionary, it is understandable.<br />im- variation of in- or un- meaning "not". Merciful- having mercy <br /><br />Then from your own citation (that you ridicule when someone else uses it:" Indeed, even before the blankets had been handed over, the disease may have been spread to the Indians by native warriors returning from attacks on infected white settlements. So while it is certain that these British soldiers attempted to intentionally infect Indians with smallpox, it is uncertain whether or not their attempt was successful.[3]<br />You refer to "early Americans ", whereas the perpetrators of these schemes were British Army officers ( Captain Simeon Ecuyer, for one) rather than colonials. <br /><br />Try again; see if you can get it right.Pack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-4794215375369693892010-05-11T18:03:47.396-07:002010-05-11T18:03:47.396-07:00At 16:35, Rack Pat blathered:
>Still repeating...At 16:35, Rack Pat blathered:<br /><br />>Still repeating the false talking points, I see.<br /><br />False, my ass.<br /><br />"During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Captain Simeon Ecuyer gave representatives of the besieging Delawares two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox, in hopes of spreading the disease to the Indians in order to end the siege."<br />[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt]Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-85032678182799212722010-05-11T16:35:32.943-07:002010-05-11T16:35:32.943-07:00"Methinks Nanna has been smoking 'way too..."Methinks Nanna has been smoking 'way too much locoweed and sucking back too much firewater"..Ivan<br /><br />Racist comment<br /><br />"Are you saying that without liberals, early Americans would NOT have presented aboriginals with smallpox-infested blankets, in an effort to kill them?"<br /><br />Still repeating the false talking points, I see. Source of this canard, please.Pack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-54826361458919230422010-05-11T16:19:54.448-07:002010-05-11T16:19:54.448-07:00At 8:24, Nanna raged:
>As a part American Indi...At 8:24, Nanna raged:<br /><br />>As a part American Indian,<br />>I say to Ivan, MYOB!!<br /><br />Nanna, I don't give a rat's ass whether you're a bit injun or a bit cabbage. You don't get to say what I (or anyone else) may or may not comment on. It IS my business if I say it's my business. Are we clear?<br /><br />>thils (sic) is the United States,<br />>full of AMERICANS!!<br /><br />And all kinds of other people as well. What's your point?<br /><br />>What ever happened in history,<br />>is just that HISTORY!! Leave it<br />>alone!<br /><br />What an idiot comment. So we should never again discuss ancient Egypt, the Roman Empire or the American Revolution? What's wrong with you?<br /><br />So as a "part Indian" you're not the least disturbed or offended that early Americans tried their damnedest to utterly rid the world of the people who contributed "part of" you, so they could steal their land?<br /><br />>You liberals are constantly<br />>digging digging, trying to<br />>cause division among Americans.<br /><br />Are you saying that without liberals, early Americans would NOT have presented aboriginals with smallpox-infested blankets, in an effort to kill them?<br /><br />>There have been many unjustices<br />>in the world. But most have been<br />>from people like you that can'at<br />>leave people alone.<br /><br />Aaah, so you ARE saying it was "liberals" who tried to kill all the Indians. Interesting. Psychotic and stupid, but interesting.<br /><br />>You are trouble makers, implacable,<br />>immerciful, unholy.<br /><br />Yes, people who try to bring change and improvement to the world are often called troublemakers.<br /><br />Isn't that why they killed Jesus Christ?<br /><br />For my part, I wear the label proudly.<br /><br />And, BTW, there's no such word as "immerciful," dumbass.<br /><br />>You deride people who have a<br />>different belief than you<br /><br />Wrong. I "deride" people who insist on holding beliefs that are palpably, demonstrably wrong, stupid, childish and destructive.<br /><br />>You have no use for those<br />>different than you<br /><br />No, it's liars and haters I've no use for. Also, people who try to rewrite history -- people like you.<br /><br />>and would happilly sent Small Pox<br />>blankets to them at this minute,<br />>as you have done from the beginning<br />>of time!!<br /><br />Methinks Nanna has been smoking 'way too much locoweed and sucking back too much firewater. Nanna may be partly red, but she's all nutter.Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-39610517672144904972010-05-11T15:38:20.408-07:002010-05-11T15:38:20.408-07:00At 8:09, Buck accused:
>You continually mock, ...At 8:09, Buck accused:<br /><br />>You continually mock, scorn and<br />>deride the people who blog here<br />>and the people who post here for<br />>their ideals, patriotism and<br />>religion.<br /><br />No, I don't. I mock, scorn and deride them for their mindless right-wing extremism, their racism, their ignorance and lack of education, their stupidity, their illiteracy and their idiot faith in the nonexistent.<br /><br />>Yet you have never put forth<br />>your ideas of freedom, tolerance<br />>or religion.<br /><br />What's to "put forth?"<br /><br />I love freedom, I'm a big fan of tolerance and I think religion is for the stupid, the brainwashed and the brain dead and should be consigned to the crap pile of history before it kills us all. <br /><br />>Please tell us your beliefs.<br /><br />Happy now?Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-51194117378544873142010-05-11T12:10:24.970-07:002010-05-11T12:10:24.970-07:00Ivan
"Europe hasn't "fallen" si...Ivan<br />"Europe hasn't "fallen" since the Romans left. What do you imagine could make it fall now"<br /><br />Have you seen what Greece's crisis is doing to the Euro?Pack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-67219810523918235612010-05-11T10:29:11.905-07:002010-05-11T10:29:11.905-07:00At 7:31, Nee fibbed:
>it is his left-minded co...At 7:31, Nee fibbed:<br /><br />>it is his left-minded cohorts who wish<br />>to keep people of color down and not I.<br /><br />What a foul liar you are, Nee. It's quite the opposite, as you well know.<br /><br />Every act, both legislative and social, promoting civil rights in the U.S., every voting-rights campaign, every affirmative action program, every move towards equality of the races, was prompted, accomplished or facilitated by liberals and progressives, always over the hysterical protestations (and often violent opposition) of you rightoid, racist bastards.<br /><br />>the ones to save the idiots like Ivan<br /><br />Ivan doesn't require saving, thank you very much.<br /><br />>as Europe falls, so too will we.<br /><br />Europe hasn't "fallen" since the Romans left. What do you imagine could make it fall now?<br /><br />>It would suck to be him<br /><br />Actually, it's great to be me. If you knew exactly how great, you'd gnaw off your own face in jealousy.Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-48733720348711478032010-05-11T09:59:09.814-07:002010-05-11T09:59:09.814-07:00ALL (except Ivan the Moron)
Your posts were EXCEL...ALL (except Ivan the Moron)<br /><br />Your posts were EXCELLENT reading. Thx!THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15495366085857691285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-18858482595594874292010-05-11T09:58:46.254-07:002010-05-11T09:58:46.254-07:00Buck,
I was out and about and failed to comment o...Buck,<br /><br />I was out and about and failed to comment on your post. Well said to Ivan. He is a sideline champion, an armchair general, and a sheep.THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15495366085857691285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-46939016422870609342010-05-11T09:55:35.418-07:002010-05-11T09:55:35.418-07:00Ivan says: "Democratically elected" Pres...Ivan says: "Democratically elected" President. Those are progressive buzzwords because all tyrants are democratically elected like Castro, Chavez, A-jad, Hussein etc...<br /><br />Just because Obama was elected doesn't mean he hasn't turned into the biggest fraud ever to be President. The evidence is undeniable and irrefutable. Broken Promises, no focus on the economy, continued bailouts after passing the Pay-go provision, health care bill full of lies and unsustainable promises. The list goes on and on.<br /><br />We are a Republic with an electoral college in place as a stop gap to the tyrannical leaders. We had a taste of it with FDR that's why we put a term limit on the President as soon as FDR was out of power.Elrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12364796137634963546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-69247736228017048492010-05-11T09:45:38.444-07:002010-05-11T09:45:38.444-07:00Ivan--Americans went a little further than the afo...Ivan--Americans went a little further than the aforementioned Europeans we traveled to the moon.<br /><br />Your Progressive hate seeps from your words, you can't stand anyone who doesn't agree with you. It is tough to think like you unless you are delusional. That said you were placed here to be a reminder of the depravity and ignorance we are up against.<br />Illegal immigrants--not acceptable http://bigjournalism.com/sright/2010/05/10/media-take-note-in-arizona-county-of-64-highway-chases-last-month-not-one-perp-a-u-s-citizen/ <br /><br />..and the best at murder are those who PREACH against it and the best at HATE are those who preach LOVE and the best at WAR finally are those who preach PEACE....<br />excerpt from http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-genius-of-the-crowd/<br /><br />So all Progressives/LIBERALS can preach all they want about their great ideals and intentions but there accusations reveal the true darkness in their hearts and the hatred for freedom and prosperity for all. They just use issues as weapons to stifle opposition and belittle those with other viewpoints.<br />The impoverished inner city poor have been that way for decades despite the fact that the compassionate LIBERALS (rock their vote) at each election cycle then make sure they are kept needing the entitlements provided by big government until election time comes around.<br />Who are the true racists who do nothing except allow these people to stay in their blighted situations and keep them restricted and use them as pawns in the LIBERAL/Progressive game of POWER GRAB?Elrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12364796137634963546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-15897003545143529612010-05-11T09:25:52.560-07:002010-05-11T09:25:52.560-07:00Ivan, you still did not get the point.
Are you ac...Ivan, you still did not get the point.<br /><br />Are you acting dense?<br /><br />The infected blankets were discussed but not used because they were as hazardous to the soldiers as to the Indians.<br />As I also noted, what created the problem was the lack of natural immunity of the Native Americans to European diseases. ( Think of the movie "War of the Worlds" )<br /><br />Admit it Ivan , you made a mistake, that was the reason you typed the wrong word.<br /><br />Nanna, points well made, agree with your comments.Pack Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16504330514655175133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-86132521998538684492010-05-11T09:04:35.929-07:002010-05-11T09:04:35.929-07:00Ah yes, case in point
the war memorial in the Moja...Ah yes, case in point<br />the war memorial in the Mojave desert was challenged by Ivan's ilk. They lost the case in the Supreme Court. Well these "fair" people, that want equal rights, these fair people that yell from the housetops about the freedom of speech, the rule of law etc. have torn the cross down. They didn't win in court, so as they always do, they pitched a snit, and ripped apart what they don't believe in. <br />About these atheistic liberals I rest my case!!Nannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00274491481000131501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-49451823606347622052010-05-11T08:25:17.531-07:002010-05-11T08:25:17.531-07:00I see I made several typos in above post. I was em...I see I made several typos in above post. I was emotional. Sorry.Nannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00274491481000131501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-47193404140943115402010-05-11T08:24:10.061-07:002010-05-11T08:24:10.061-07:00As a part American Indian, I say to Ivan, MYOB!! t...As a part American Indian, I say to Ivan, MYOB!! thils is the United States, full of AMERICANS!! What ever happened in history, is just that HISTORY!! Leave it alone! You liberals are constantly digging digging, trying to cause division among Americans. There have been many unjustices in the world. But most have been from people like you that can'at leave people alone. You are trouble makers, implacable, immerciful, unholy. You deride people who have a different belief than you, which is what brought these atrocities that you whine about now. You have no use for those different than you,and would happilly sent Small Pox blankets to them at this minute, as you have done from the beginning of time!!Nannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00274491481000131501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-26521242151808734382010-05-11T08:09:51.609-07:002010-05-11T08:09:51.609-07:00Ivan
You continually mock, scorn and deride the p...Ivan<br /><br />You continually mock, scorn and deride the people who blog here and the people who post here for their ideals, patriotism and religion.<br />Yet you have never put forth your ideas of freedom, tolerance or religion.<br />Please tell us your beliefs.Bucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2498935428328071228.post-50207859612080798472010-05-11T07:37:38.547-07:002010-05-11T07:37:38.547-07:00At 18:50, Pack Rat noted:
>And then there is t...At 18:50, Pack Rat noted:<br /><br />>And then there is the<br />>typhoid blankets.<br />>Actually more likely<br />>to be smallpox<br /><br />You're absolutely right. I knew that, but for some unfathomable reason, wrote typhoid. Thanks for setting me straight.<br /><br />That being said . . . deliberately infecting aboriginal people with a deadly disease was an act of genocide that surely casts a dark, foul cloud over those allegedly noble, brave, admirable early Americans, doesn't it?<br /><br />There has always been a disturbing strain of thuggery running through the American makeup. Then, it was the persistent attempts to wipe the country's original inhabitants off the face of the earth.<br /><br />Today it's visible in the drooling, mindless hatred of the "tea party" assholes and the closet racists, like our own lovable Gunster, who've oozed forth to wage war against a democratically elected president of undeniably good character solely because he's black.<br /><br />America may be rich; it may be powerful. But its people have a long way to go before they can reasonably be considered just, civilized or decent.Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761055841294207501noreply@blogger.com