Yesterday on the Star Parker thread, we had a seminar poster with the handle of “pojento418” shows up, and posted this drivel:
“Please explain to me what it means to have "God Given Rights". How do we know what those rights are? Slavery is permitted in the Bible, does that mean there is no right not to be enslaved? Does the 13th Amendment extend rights beyond the ones that are God given or did the founding fathers not sufficiently appreciated what rights are God given? Who protects those rights? Given the Holocaust, etc, it is clear that God does not work to ensure any rights.
It is not conservatives belief in absolute truth that bothers me, it is the belief that they always know what that absolute truth is.”
We Conservatives have been expounding on our rights as granted by the Creator for years now and this is a tactic of the left, to keep asking the same question over and over, until the subject of their attack is worn out and quits the fight. In fact, “The Conservative Mind,” which is great reading by-the-way, goes into great depth on them and the book “Patriots,” covers much of their religious background including the daily reading of a prayer by a pastor, to a room full of Quakers, Anabaptists, etc, which set the tone for the Congress.
So, to answer the seminar poster Pojento418…
We on the right are using our Creator-given individual rights and civil liberties as a rallying point for reclaiming liberty from a tyrannical government. There can be no justification for a government that taxes us while representing us as shabby as Robert Hanssen protected classified material and that forces legislation on us as unwanted as a tornado in a trailer park.
The Constitution is the secular law of the land and it is backed up by an equally secular Bill of Rights, both perhaps the best documents ever forged by Man but there can be no doubt that The Declaration of Independence is a sacred mandate from God. Consider the following:
“When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
All men [and women] ARE born free, it is humanity that enslaves them one way or another. Liberals enslave their adherents through welfare programs and entitlement programs that steal away the souls of the people until they are but a hollow shell going through the motions of life. One look at any Blue State or inner city controlled by liberals for a few decades reveals that to be the truth. Apparently, our seminar poster never bothered to read the Big Three: The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Declaration of Independence, because it is all listed therein.
It must also be noted that the Revolution fought by the Founders and the First Americans was and always will be, a revolution fought for the sacred and unalienable human rights as outlined above but also, that we fought to live under a set of moral laws, “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” that allows us to make our own way through life, as free men and women, not as serfs or slaves to a tyrannical government. It is, therefore, secular law, that can turn into tyranny, when those laws work to destroy the individual’s rights. What right does ObamaKare have to tell US to buy health insurance or face a fine? None. Have said fine seized by the IRS from our taxes? None. Face jail if we refuse? None.
What liberals, and the seminar poster fail to realize is that the First and the Second Amendments illustrate the concept that all men are created equal [and free]. You are free to speak your mind unless it clearly endangers others (yelling “fire” in a theater) and you are free to defend yourself, family, hearth and home, from outside threats, including an oppressive and tyrannical government, via the Second Amendment. Only free men and women living under the eyes of their Creator, can enjoy this. God is free, He made us in His own image, thus we are indeed, born free. God gives natural gifts to each and every person, they do not come from the government and hence, cannot be taken away by the government. If one paints like Michelangelo, that gift came from God and could (and should) be used in honest labor to create and to profit by it. The government serves only to “secure and protect” the unalienable and sacred rights of the individual.
Free men and women, created by God, hold that rights are derived from the traits of human nature as a free people. It is the individual who uses his or her thinking mind in order to produce what he or she needs in order to survive, thrive, and pursue their own happiness. Individual rights, granted to us by God, are the bedrock on which this nation was founded and mutual respect for those rights is the mortar that binds them together. America prospered because individuals WILLINGLY worked together in a melting pot, that made “one from many” but also allowed individual freedom to follow one's own path. The basic form in a stable and thriving society is the individual, that becomes a family, that becomes a society, that becomes a nation, yet it all started with the Creator’s gift of: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
What liberals always fail to take note of is that the Founders of the United States sought to create a society of free individuals, worshiping their Creator (as they saw fit) and blessed by their Creator, in their own way. Hence the First Amendment that prohibited a State religion but not the worship of any religion. America and Americans can only stand on solid ground if we embrace our God-given individual rights. Liberals never learn that any “rights” granted by a government are not rights at all by any stretch of the word but merely privileges that can be removed when it suits the government. Take Social Security for example. You are forced to pay into it, your employer is forced to pay into it, you expect it to be there when you retire at age 60, then 62, then 64, then 65, then 70, etc, in a perverted Catch-22 as they raise the retirement age, it’s never there for you, especially when the politicians rape and pillage the fund for each new flashy shiny project they want and want us to pay for. Indeed, just look at the various “protected classes” of people in America today.
That was not what our Founders wanted, one group of citizens held over another one and reversible at any given point in time. Right now we have the parasites, those Peggy the Moochers who are “labor-challenged” (the Entitlement Class) and living on various entitlement programs (government-granted “rights”) that live off of the forced largesse of another group of “unprotected classes”, the hard-working, tax-paying, middle and upper class, who work and pay for the government-granted "rights" of the entitlement class that has the government as its sole beneficiary.
Liberals, and the seminar poster, never seem to get the fact that “We the People” do not and have never needed, the Government to describe our sacred human rights as outlined in the Declaration of Independence. Nor have we ever needed them to outline the moral laws and guidelines as outlined by God. “Do unto others,” still works for us but it is the government that can’t abide by that sacred law. No one needs tell us to look out for our neighbor, our friends, our own. We on the Right are far far more generous in our charity than the Left is and we should glorify in that. No one needs to tell us to get a job, work for one’s own ends, raise a family, serve in the military, etc. WE KNOW THIS! Indeed, “We the People” need to ensure that any and all laws which attack an individual’s equal rights to life, liberty and private property, as given by God, are declared unconstitutional and either nullified by the Supreme Court or if not them, then by the individual States and local government, as desired by the Founders. God made us free, not the federal government.
Liberals like the seminar poster can try to deny it but the Declaration of Independence is the supreme moral law of the United States and cannot be amended or done away with by the government. It was written for a moral and just people and declares without a shadow of a doubt, our individual freedoms. It also preceded the Constitution and therefore, supersedes amendable secular laws. It is plainly clear to anyone who reads these documents that the purpose of our government is to secure our God-given individual rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness (“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men”) and to enjoy the fruits of our labor and the private property honestly earned through our labor. No one has the right to take these away from us except for God.
As for blaming the Holocaust on God? Only a liberal could come up with that senseless logic fit only for a brainless drone, it is not worth the Gunny’s time to answer such drivel. Maybe pojento418 wanted God to arrive in a thunderous blast from Heaven to fight Hitler? Maybe this seminar poster might be better off reading what the father of modern Conservatism wrote a few hundred years ago and what WE on the Right need to live by today: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” WW2 rid the world of Hitler, let the Tea Party and an awakened Silent Majority rid us of liberalism and their myrmidons, the RINOS.
Liberals like the seminar poster don't like to admit to our "God-given" rights simply because government IS their god. Admitting that there IS a God casts doubts on their lifestyles and actions and as we all know, liberals hate that. But that is another essay.
great post Gunny! an easy yet indepth article of truth! it is thru your articles that i help my children learn our history and government. it takes a lot to make them see how our de-education department is run by socialists bent on taking away our rights! for my daughters tenth birthday i am looking for a good single shot 22rifle. first hand experience of the 2nd ammendment will hopefully get them more interested in our history. btw, every time odimbo comes on the news, my kids say; what an idiot!ReplyDelete
One, thanks for the kudos.
Two, check out www.gunbroker.com you can find old single shot .22s.
Three, get them the books I have mentioned and let them read them. The politically incorrect guide to American history is a good tonic against liberal lies.
What a horrible life to go through never knowing any truth which means not having the God given sense to be able to look at nature and see god at every turn. It must also mean that the dummy never read the Logos.
They are in fact slaves and the empty shell to their gods(dems)as you said, but they are not going thru any kind of motions of life they are already dead and do not have life, liberty or any gumption for the pursuit of happiness. Maybe thats why they hate and bomb innocent peoples the way they do.
If the "pojento418" knew the context of what he was looking at when he referenced slavery in the bible then he would have know that the period of slavery had limits and there were penalties for mistreating servants. But then that would have required understanding what he was reading and knowing the context.ReplyDelete
Excellent comment Gunny: " the Declaration of Independence is the supreme moral law of the United States". And though I had never thought of the Declaration in that viewpoint, I believe you have "nailed" it. Just as the Constitution and Bill of Rights are the supreme "secular" law of the U.S., the Declaration is our "moral compass".ReplyDelete
PS: Sorry I haven't commented more (I have been by and read your excellent articles); but I have more work than I have had in 10 years. Due to our Fearless Leader's economy, many of the large consulting firms are shutting down which is giving small firms like mine more work (being I am the only person in my firm, I guess you can't get any smaller). If you get a chance, I have an article (actually a book review) about Holt Collier, a slave who served in the Confederate army and the man who gave the world the Teddy Bear. My father met him in 1935. I wish I could have also met him.
Oh Gunny,' Amen and AMEN!!! what a wonderful post!!ReplyDelete
And remind the libs that man designed slavery, not god. He just said how slaves were to be treated, and how slaves were to act.
Just as God designed marriage, man (libs) perverted it. and on and on...
But again, thank you for the great post!!
Failed to capitalize God on first line.ReplyDelete
Outstanding post Gunny!ReplyDelete
I no longer believe that liberals know what freedom is, unless you consider telling other people what to do, freedom. What they fail to realize is that the same Creator that gives us life, liberty and pursuit of happiness also gives us free will, which by definition does not guarantee equal outcome.
"The class of citizens who provide at once their own food and their own raiment, may be viewed as the most truly independent and happy." -James Madison
Great comment. One doesn't have to be religious to see God in the works. Their loss, our gain.
That's our cherry-picking libs. They cling to the Jeffersonian letter about the spearation of church and state and ignore the mountain of evidence to the contrary in regards to the Founders.
Thanks for the comment and glad to hear that you're busy. It was my father who called the DOI our moral compass but then again, he went to school in the 20's when teachers TAUGHT without an agenda.
Thanks for the kind comment and kudos. It annoys me no end that liberals refuse to believe in God but are ready to pin the ills of the world on Him.
Madison perfectly summed it up.
I agree that liberals have no idea what freedom is or what it means to those of us who DO know what it means. Thus they sneer at the Tea Party and the Silent Majority patriots.
And Jefferson's letter on separation of church and state was to assure a group that here would be no national religion ala the Church of England.ReplyDelete
And there is the frequent ignoring of the second half of the 1st Amendment "free exercise therof".
As Marxists, liberals HAVE to get rid of God to make their god, The State, reign supreme.
Their "cute" metaphysical quiery years ago..back when I was a younger lad...went like this,
"Can God make a road so long he can't walk it?
"Can God make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?
Same old bullshit todayThey have no argument yet they still consider themselves such "intellectual" superiors they are smug in their anti-government anti-religious garbage.
Poor souls... miserable in their own misguided search for truth.
How can you see if you don't open your eyes?
How can you be an "intellectual" if you can't think for yourself???
Ask a liberal: can you see the wind?ReplyDelete
Can you touch it?
No, do you believe wind exists?
If so, why?
A FLASH OF KNOWLEDGE! A STROKE OF INSIGHT!ReplyDelete
Soccer games that have no score,
And schools where everyone passes,
Living in a world where truth is a boor,
With their heads stuck up their asses.
Not Sharpton nor Jackson ever worked a day
Living off working man's taxes
Joe the Plumber paid their way
While the media was kissing their asses.
Doublewides and rednecks they scorn away
Sipping wine from long stem glasses
Oblivious to that November day
When the 'necks'l kick their asses.
Coulda done more but after 8 Buds I'm toast!
sipping wine from long stem glasses
Buck C. I'm still laughing! Gunny, this has to be one of your many 'best' writings. Thank You!ReplyDelete
'nother old Marine
History Repeats Itself...ReplyDelete
Back in.. 1500's, I think it was.
Holland had a Tulip Market. Tulip bulbs were bought and sold much like stocks on today's market.
The prices on different color tulips fluxuated up and down. Folks got rich.
Some dude put "Black Tulips" on the market.
Black Tulips were so rare the price went sky high and the promoter got filthy rich.
Only one problem.
Black Tulips didn't exist.
They don't exist.
No such thing.
Lots of speculators went broke.
But the Al Gore of the 1500's retired.
A very wealthy Dutchman.
Kinda like selling invisible air, huh?
Wait til they tax us for putting CO2 into the atmosphere. Hold your breath!ReplyDelete
Gunster bushwa demolished; Rabid Rightoid slinks off to lick woundsReplyDelete
The Gunsel intoned:
>We on the right are using our
>Creator-given individual rights and
Americans' rights and civil liberties were defined by the country's founders -- not some invisible Guy in the Sky. People who think they were bestowed by a supernatural being are whack jobs.
>as a rallying point for
>reclaiming liberty from a tyrannical
The current federal government, not having engaged in any way in behavior that can be said to be unlawful or dictatorial and hasn't even been credibly *accused* of having done so, cannot be said to be "tyrannical" (except, of course, by paranoid whack jobs like the Gunster).
>there can be no doubt that The
>Declaration of Independence is a
>sacred mandate from God.
In fact, of course, there can be (is, and should be) mountains of doubt of this idiot claim. There is no evidence that the Declaration of Independence was handed down by a supernatural being. It was a paper written mainly by Thomas Jefferson, with help from John Adams and Benjamin Franklin, none of whom was a believer in any God the religion-wracked dingbats in today's America would recognize.
>Liberals enslave their adherents through
>welfare programs and entitlement programs
Actually, of course, welfare and other such programs *promote* freedom. They're designed, and to a large extent do, free people from the brutality of starvation and homelessness and the slavery of extreme poverty. Those who attack such programs as unwarranted entitlements for the lazy are invariably selfish, self-satisfied, traitorous Scrooges who don't give a rat's ass for the well-being of their neighbors.
>a revolution fought for the sacred and
>unalienable human rights
That's a very romanticized view. Cute, but not entirely true. Every credible historian knows that the reasons for the American Revolution were as much economic as they were philosophical. An at least equal motivation for the revolution was the desire of the colonies' moneyed elites to free their business enterprises (such as trade with the rest of the world) from the shackles that England had placed on them. The terms "sacred" and "inalienable" as applied to human rights are emotive but meaningless.
There is nothing "sacred" about rights written into law by men, and the fact is that human rights are very alienable indeed, as has been proven countless times, including here in the U.S. of A. Don't believe me? Ask a black person. Or native American. Or Japanese. Rights are alienable as hell, and are most often alienated under conservative -- not liberal -- regimes.
>What right does (the recently passed
>health-care-insurance reform law) have
>to tell US to buy health insurance or face
The same right the duly instituted government has to tell you to pay your taxes or face a fine, drive within the posted speed limits or face a fine, keep your dick in your pants in a public place or face a fine.
>you are free to defend yourself, family,
>hearth and home, from outside threats,
>including an oppressive and tyrannical
>government, via the Second Amendment.
This is the Gunster's favorite stone lie (aimed at inveigling some stupid, gullible schnook to do what Gunsel himself doesn't have the cojones to do). The 2nd Amendment says Americans may keep and bear arms and form militias. It does not say citizens may take up arms against the government, even if they believe the government is "tyrannical." Take up arms against the government and you will almost certainly be shot to death, even while waving a copy of the 2nd Amendment.
Gunster bushwa demolished, Cont'dReplyDelete
>Only free men and women living under
>the eyes of their Creator
There has never been one shred of evidence for the existence of any gods or anything supernatural whatsoever. That means humans can be free -- free from religious delusions and fear; free from the manipulations of charlatans and preachers.
>God is free
This is gibberish.
>He made us in His own image
So is this.
If Man was made in God's image, as the Bible claims, then what does God do with His penis? Why would God need such an organ?
>the Founders of the United States sought to
>create a society of free individuals,
>worshiping their Creator (as they saw fit)
Or NOT worshiping (or believing in) a "creator," as they saw fit.
("Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." -Benjamin Franklin)
>embrace our God-given individual rights.
Our rights were not bestowed by a supernatural entity. Americans used to have the "right" to own slaves. Many believed this right was "God-given." Now, nearly no one does. Did "God" change His mind? Don't be silly. Rights were written into law by men, not spirits, and their definition can -- and does -- change over time.
>As for blaming the Holocaust on God?
>Only a liberal could come up with that
This is a perfect, textbook example of the profound, toxic dishonesty that taints everything the Gunster writes and makes him the foulest liar on this site. The poster Gunsel quoted did not, of course, blame God for the Holocaust. Not even close. He said the Holocaust proved that God does not "work to ensure any rights."
Pointing out that God did not prevent the Holocaust is a far cry from saying God caused it, as any even moderately intelligent and intellectually honest person would know.
Intelligent and intellectually honest -- not terms one would ever associate with the ever lying, ever propagandizing Gunster.
Poor job, old chap. Damned poor job.
As usual Ivan jumped past the point of the article and went to bashing. Pojento418 like Ivan takes things out of context and without understanding the culture.ReplyDelete
Pojento418 was also apparently into setting up strawmen.
By the way one could look at laws as morals codified.
Other comments from Ben Franklin the lighthouse and the context of the remark, plus a few more quotes from Ben.ReplyDelete
"When he narrowly escaped shipwreck and death upon the Cornish rocks near Falmouth Harbor, he wrote to his wife: "Were I a Roman Catholic perhaps I should on this occasion vow to build a chapel to some saint; but as I am not, if I were to vow at all it should be to build a lighthouse."
Although Franklin was one of the least religious of the Founding Fathers, in his 1749 plan for education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted the schools teach, "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.
Franklin called for the establishment of chaplains and daily prayer at the Constitutional Convention. He was also quoted: " God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel" --Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech
As well as saying: "In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered... do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?" [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]