The Gunny was raised to be a flag-loving American, proud of his country and Stephen Decatur, a US Naval officer captured that spirit when he wrote:
"Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."
So what the hell is wrong with the scumbags who seek to drag us down? The First Wookie stated that she was never proud of her country until Jug Ears was in the campaign! What the HELL was Ol Junk in the Trunk thinking? Maybe they are just people who happen to accidentally just live here. Once upon a time, the Gunny was thinking about enlisting in the French Foreign Legion, after they came to Oakland California to recruit, and he was out of the Corps after his first enlistment expired and he was jobless . Dad said to never do anything that would forfeit your God-given grace of being born an American, in a free country, that millions wanted to flock to every year. He was dead on the money.
The Gunny once observed the Old Man with TEARS in his eyes at a baseball game, as the anthem played. Was he thinking of his WW buddies who never made it back? Perhaps the Gunny attacks liberals so viciously because they seek to change our nation from one of exceptionalism to one of European feebleness and thus, negate the sacrifices of veterans and folks on the homefront made over two centuries. How many of us see the flag wave in the breeze and somehow, feel better for it, no matter how shitty our day is going? How many of us have stood at attention during colors, heard the national anthem, and felt it in our hearts. Corny? Maybe. But only a scumbag anti-American would not feel that pang in their heart. The Gunny still finds it amazing that there are Americans, or rather, just people living in America, that are not moved by the flag, the anthem, and the greatness of America.
How many families have sent their sons, and now their daughters, to the military, to serve with silent pride? How many of us have served with unrecognized distinction, the only reward being that WE knew WE did a helluva job. One Marine stated about the medals awarded on Iwo Jima, that a few hundred more Medals of Honor could have been awarded for individual bravery above and beyond except that all of the witnesses were dead or the singular act was unwitnessed. But The First Wookie was only proud of her country when Obowmao was in the race. The Gunny proudly embraces that his family has a long history of service to this nation and there are millions and millions of other REAL citizens in this country who can claim veterans in their lineage, some going back to the Revolutionary War. Dare the Gunny say that WE are the citizens while the rest are merely here courtesy of the luck of the draw on their birth or their ability to swim the Rio Grande. Those who serve and those who support us are the real Americans, those who oppose us, who vandalize recruiting offices, who spat on returning veterans, who undercut our funding in Congress, who seek to disarm us, they are the domestic enemy. The Fifth Column.
In the military, when watching a movie on base, we stand for the anthem and watch the film clip being played. Why do they not do this across the nation? When the anthem plays, we should take a moment to remember those who have given the ultimate gift to America and to remember that freedom is not free, we have to fight for it every single day. How many families were devastated when the one they loved sacrificed their all for our freedom but took solace in the fact that their sacrifice was not in vain. They had paid their dues on the altar of freedom. Who could have known that liberals and their country club Republican lickspittles like Grahamnesty, Collins, and Snowe would turn this nation upside down. From "all gave some and some gave all" to “few give a lot for the entitlements of the lazy.”
Liberals and liberalism have turned this nation from one of hard work, luck, the American Dream into a nation of the right to a free ride courtesy of someone else, the right to various entitlements, and the right to claim more rights. One of the Gunny’s ancestors came here at age 13, from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, to go to Ellis Island, get checked out, make sure he had a job, a sponsor, and a place to live, and then went straight into the coal mines. One generation later, we were out of the mines and catering to the miners! But liberals today demand that we allow illegal aliens to come here and sponge off of us, to the tune of BILLIONS a year in welfare, medicare, court costs, jail costs, etc, simply because they are just coming here to work, to have a family, and that they’re not hurting anyone in doing it. Tell that to the cops murdered in Arizona. Tell that to the folks in Phoenix, now the #1 kidnapping for ransom site in America, thanks to illegals. Tell that to the hundreds of sex crime victims after their rapists run back into Mexico to escape justice.
The Gunny’s ancestors, like millions of others, came to this country because they wanted to be free, to be Americans, to pursue the American Dream and they damn sure thanked God for getting them to America. They stopped speaking their native tongue for English, they adopted the customs of this nation, and they sent their sons to war, gladly. THIS was THEIR country, it was great, and it was allowing them to live free, They happily endured the hardships to get here and they freely assimilated into our culture. They became proud Americans. Liberals have destroyed that what with their quest for multiculturalism and forced diversity. The Hell with footbaths for Muslims in airports. The Hell with Muslims refusing to allow dogs into their taxis because “they” think dogs are unclean. This is America, suck it up. WE are getting the shaft by liberals who seek to change this great nation from one of AMERICAN CITIZENS to one of a bunch of people living in 57, oops, 50 states, ruled by clowns inside the Beltway.
Liberals allow these illegal aliens to flood through our southern border and rest assured, Comrade Obowmao WILL legalize them through an Executive Order, they who do not respect our country, who do not follow our laws, who do not respect our culture but instead, bring their own culture here, who spit and burn our flag, who refuse to speak English, and who are not here to make the NATION great. No, they want US to learn to speak Spanish and give them jobs, so that they can send money back to support their home country’s economy! They are nothing but takers and they fit right into the Democrat’s agenda since THEY are takers as well. They seize our wages for a bankrupt Social Security scam. They seize our taxes for the benefit of the parasites like Peggy the Moocher and her illegal alien brethren. They take our God-given right to utilize our resources and profit for them for their enviro-nazis allies. Take, take, take, that is all these vermin know. This fifth column within our midst is weakening our country.
There are two classes in America and they ain’t rich and poor, they’re Americans and non-Americans. Americans are pissed off and outraged at what liberals and their RINO henchmen are doing to America while the non-Americans are working in concert WITH that fifth column. We’re PISSED OFF that illegals are milking the system and that Liberals are ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN! Legal immigration, as our ancestors went through, is the right way but the illegals coming in here, taking what our ancestors fought for and sometimes died for, is a slap in the face to Americans. The non-Americans, especially those non-Americans who were born here, should be held in contempt by those of us who remember the greatness of America because they no longer remember what being an American is really about and furthermore, that they don’t CARE to remember. They’re just along for the ride.
It is time for Americans to ask themselves a few questions and they are:
Do I deserve to live in America?
Do I love America enough to fight to make it great again?
Do I want America to be the Exceptional nation it used to be?
What have I done to contribute to America?
Am I simply a person living in a collection of states?
Freedom is not free. Freedom is not an entitlement. We are free because those who went before us fought for a nation they loved and embraced the principles what made this nation a nation of exceptionalism. They gave everything they had, can we do anything less?
It's sad that these libs are tearing down a nation filled with rights, a nation where our freedoms are protected, a nation that is the envy of the world. A nation that encourages small businesses and entrepreneurs, bringing about new inventions to better the human condition. A nation that encourages its' military, who protect not only this nation, but many around the world. a nation that (should) encourage unbiased education and a freedom to worship in whatever religion you follow. A nation that upholds its' laws.ReplyDelete
Instead, we have liberals trampling our freedoms and ignoring our rights. They downplay this country everyday and continuously spread hate and lies. They ignore history, common sense, and raise taxes in a recession that the dems had a huge hand in creating, killing small business, destroying the middle class, and raising the unemployment rate. They hate the very military that has taken down evil, insane, dictators, helped free the besieged, and call them high school dropouts, which is a giant lie. They create their own history, trying to brainwash children into hating this country, and creating biased college classes into an attempted Democrat recruiting base. A nation that attacks the religions that encourages peace and love (Christianity, Judaism), and glorify a religion that has turned the middle east into one giant battleground and has publicly called America the Great Satan. Liberals encourage illegal immigration and assault the 2nd amendment, encouraging breaking laws and taking the sides of those who are not American citizens.
I bet any of us could create a book off of this. Liberalism/Progressivism is a disease.
whoops, a "Nation that attacks the religions", should be, liberals attack the religions.ReplyDelete
Wonderful post Gunny!!!!!!!ReplyDelete
This is a country unlike any other. My ancestors came from many different countries, and some of my ancestors were waiting for them here.
It is heart breaking to see these liberals, and one Muslim president try and bring this country down.
I know so many people that feel like I do, and I only pray that people like you, the Oath Keepers, and the Tea Party can bring this nightmare to an end!!
The assholes can't have it their way,they WILL destroy it. Wonder when the dickhead-in-chief will order the cap taken off the oil well? Oil stopped(for now)no more "crisis".ReplyDelete
In his latest psycho rant, the wretched Gunster gibbered:ReplyDelete
>The Gunny was raised to be a
Wow! Gunsel was raised to be a country.
Not a man or a person or even a human.
Gunny was raised to be a country.
No wonder he's as utterly screwed up as he obviously is.
Why would anyone take seriously anything written by this mentally disordered, illiterate boob?
Why don't you, and all of your ilk leave this country. I'm sure many of the people on this site would be happy to buy your cage to ship you in ,oh say to Cuba, Venzuela,Russia, columbia, Iraq, Turkey, Iran. There are a whole Myriad of places that would make you much happier than you appear to be here. And since you would love the places so much, you wouldn't have to put them down all the time.. Oh wait, you wouldn't dare to put them down all the time. They would kill you. In fact, they might kill you just because you breathe.
You should be thanking God you are in this country. And you better hope to God that these people that are running Washington don't get their way, or you can kiss what freedom we have left goodbye, and you will be one of the first to open your big mouth, and OOPS bye bye Ivan.
You also better thank God for people like Gunny, that will help fight to save this country, and your ungrateful sissy butt at the same time.
Ivan the Not So Terrible:ReplyDelete
Why should anyone take anything you type seriously?
You are so deranged as to make a "garden variety" degenerate look sane by comparison.
Or are you scared about what is coming for you and your fellow degenerates in November?
Or are you still acting as a "come on" for your prostitute mother?
Hey gunny, new post up.ReplyDelete
In his latest nutsoid rant, Gunsel babbled:ReplyDelete
>So what the hell is wrong with
>the scumbags who seek to drag
I figure he must mean the conservative scumbags who hate, with such ferocity, everything about America, and want to drag it, kicking and screaming, into a mythical hell where men were men, women spread 'em and shut the hell up and good darkies did what they were told and stepped off the sidewalk when a white man approached.
The progressive socialists want this country to go into chaos and allowing open borders will help that along.ReplyDelete
I just watched a video of Bill Ayers and Barry talking about this country.
Their opinions are very close to one another. Barry just uses more political language.
They both bemoan patriotism, the military, successful people, (except themselves), and our laws.
They (and Ivy) dislike the Constitution because it limits government.
Their egos tell them they are the ones who will do socialism the right way. That no one else has done it right and that's why it hasn't succeeded anyplace it's been tried. Socialism eventually financially, morally and emotionally.
Conservatives love this country, the Constitution and the brilliance of it and the fact that the founders gave absolutely everything to achieve it.
*Socialism eventually financially, morally and emotionally bankrupts every nation it is installed in.ReplyDelete
Now let me tell you a little something of the truth. I am sick of hearing you liberal pansies, spew this uninformed, totally ignorant hate. I am a CONSERVATIVE WOMAN. I have several half black grandchildren. My daughter died, and we took them on to raise. We have a black preacher at church. All but one of these children has left home. We have the youngest one still, he is almost 21, and chooses to stay here in this "conservative,racist, home where women are told to set down and shut up, and darkies wait on us. You poor deluded person. what conservatives want to go back to is FREEDOM. Freedom to pray in public, freedom to eat what we want, freedom to use a light bulb we want to. Freedom to sell a house if we want without big brother telling us what condition it must be in. Freedom to drive an SUV,or VW either one. Freedom to tell a person we don't want them working for us. Freedom to move freely without fear of some crooked lawyer suing us for looking wrong. Freedom to pick my doctor, and have a good hospital, and not have to buy insurance if I don't want to. Freedom to keep some of our money, instead of the government taking it and spending it on things I don't believe in such as abortion.
You better take a good look at what you are losing a little at a time. Soon, if these liberals keep it up, you will have ZERO rights.
Well said Nanna, you walk the walk instead of talking and talking and talking.ReplyDelete
Too bad the current occupant of the White House views himself as Pharaoh instead of President.
He could take his 3 day vacation in Alabama or Louisiana instead of Maine and its pristine beaches.
Nanna, don't waste your time on Ivan. He took to many drugs in the 60's, and couple that with his mental problem, you have a mind lost filled with hallucinations and false bravado. Maybe that's why he sees Karl Marx.ReplyDelete
Yes well said nanna, I'm afraid that ivanazak has already lost it all he is a bamsterbot, a true disgrace and sorry excuse for a human being right after his lord and master who is a true spawn of satan.ReplyDelete
May God Bless America(our country and our Gunny) our country right or wrong and may all of us who know to love God, Family and Country first and foremost always stand ready for her right or wrong.
While I'm at it I might as well let fly my God given standard of May God Damn osamabinobama, geo soros, the rev wrong and all their ignorant ill informed followers. That's not racist, hatred or anything but the truth and Biblical, see Numbers 25, and realize that soros, osama and rev wrong are Midianitish or kenites if you would.
I do not believe that I'm a Levite, Danite maybe, but the word tells us how to treat the enemy and it's still true today.
The final prayer for binobama, soros and wright.. Psalm 109:7-9
To Nanna 1,ReplyDelete
Thanks for your thoughtful contributions. Let me deal with some of your points one at a time:
>Why don't you, and all of your ilk
>leave this country.
You're apparently saying that there's no place in America for those who are critical of it. Interesting, and extremely UN-American. But that raises the question, since you and other rightoids here such as, say, the wretched Gunster, are rabidly critical of today's America, why don't you guys leave?
>a whole Myriad of places
The word "myriad" is not capitalized.
>You should be thanking God
>you are in this country.
Are you telling me that there's no place in America for me because I don't believe there is a God, or that I reckon I would be as grateful if I'd found myself in, say, Netherlands?
>And you better hope to God that these
>people that are running Washington
>don't get their way, or you can kiss what
>freedom we have left goodbye
I see no evidence that the current federal administration has in any way curtailed my freedoms, or yours, or threatens to. I believe those, like you, who think otherwise, have drunk the "tea party's" Kool-Aid and fallen victim to paranoia, propaganda and lies.
>You also better thank God for
>people like Gunny
I should thank God for the existence of a hate-filled, anti-America, racist, ranting fool who runs around online trying to stir up violence in my country? Why would I do that? It's people like the Gunster who make people all over the world shake their heads and roll their eyes when someone mentions the United States. The existence of Gunsel and his ilk makes all Americans look like primitive, truculent assholes, and that's nothing to be thankful for.
>your ungrateful sissy butt
Do you see why people of quality regard you right-wingers as nutjobs and morons? You're all terrific at hurling schoolyard taunts ("sissy"? Really.), but utterly incompetent when it comes to analysis or debating like adults.
>you liberal pansies
See above. Like most rightoids, you sound like a street corner wino, covered in vomit and raving at something only you can see.
>I am a CONSERVATIVE WOMAN.
That's not something to be proud of.
>We have a black preacher at church.
Are you saying you deserve a medal because you haven't kicked him out and replaced him with a white preacher?
>Freedom to pray in public
You can pray in public. You can pray anywhere you like. No one knows you're praying unless you pray out loud. Go ahead. Pray your brains out. What you may NOT do is force others to pray on publicly owned property, or make them feel excluded because they don't pray and the majority does.
>freedom to eat what we want
You have that now.
>freedom to use a light bulb we want to.
You have that now.
>Freedom to sell a house if we
>want without big brother telling
>us what condition it must be in.
Give me a break. There have always been restrictions and regulations governing the transfer of real estate. It is a public good that people are enjoined from selling properties that are, say, unsafe for occupation. Then again, perhaps it is the freedom to cheat someone by selling them a death-trap that you really want.
>Freedom to drive an SUV,or VW
You've got that now.
>Freedom to tell a person we don't
>want them working for us.
You've got that now. What you don't have is the "right" to discriminate against people for conditions over which they have no control, such as the color of their skin. You don't like that? Tough shit. (In reality, of course, you can refuse to hire anyone you want. Just don't be dumb enough to tell them it's because they're black, or an amputee, or whatever.)
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>Freedom to move freely without fear of
>some crooked lawyer suing us for
"Looking wrong?" I have no idea what that means, but it makes you sound like a paranoid nutbar.
>Freedom to pick my doctor
You've got that now. And there isn't a single proposal anywhere, by any branch of government, that would change that. Again, you sound like a paranoid crazy, without a fact to your name.
>and have a good hospital
Having a good hospital isn't a matter of freedom or rights. It's a matter of living in a community that wants one, and is willing to levy sufficient taxes to afford one. If your community doesn't have a good hospital you can almost always blame the local conservatives, who refuse to pay taxes, but demand all the benefits anyway.
>and not have to buy insurance
>if I don't want to.
There are a number of situations where people are required to buy insurance, such as driving on public roads. Experts say that having all Americans buy health insurance will go a long way towards one day having single-payer, universal health care, which would be a boon to everyone (except the HMO billionaires). Stop whining and grow up.
>Freedom to keep some of our money
You've got that now.
>instead of the government taking it and
>spending it on things I don't believe in
Sorry, but taxpayers have never had the right to tell government what to spend their money on. That's what we elect folks to public office to do. If individual taxpayers could tell the government what not to spend their money on, governments couldn't spend a nickel and the country would fall apart. Grow the hell up already.
>such as abortion.
What's wrong with abortion? It prevents the birth of unwanted children, of which the world already has far too many. Abortion is a good thing and there should be more of it.
>You better take a good look at what you are losing a little at a time.
I have, and it's true. We ARE gradually losing freedoms and living in a steadily more regimented world. I regret this at least as much as you do.
The difference between us, Nanna, is that, not being a paranoid, rightoid moron, I know that that incremental loss of freedom and choice is the result of an ever-more overcrowded world which is producing an ever-more complex society.
It's easy to be "free" when you're Daniel Boone, living on the edge of a wild frontier. It's rather more difficult in virtually any country in the world in the year 2010.
Liberals, progressives, socialists and almost anyone with a decent education understand this. Conservatives don't, because conservatives are ignorant, childish, nostalgic assholes living in a fantasy world in which they can all be Daniel Boone.
This country is free for you to like or dislike. I'm telling you that the reason you can, is the liberties this country has to offer.Other countries don't allow it. And if things keep on this way, you can't either.
You liberals don't give conservatives the right to think what they want without your interference. I can't go express my views on Huffington Post. They block it.
But you feel free to come to a conservative web site and make fun of our beliefs, and call us names. You don't leave us alone at any time.
Now as far as praying. Some students were at the Capitol building, and formed a circle, and were praying SILENTLY, and the police told them to stop, that it was against the law.
As far as our black preacher.
You are the one that brought up conservatives , and their wanting women to sit down and shut up, and the remark about darkies. I didn't bring it up, and very few people know about my grandchildren, or the preacher. Because we have never thought of the color of our preacher, he is a Christian man, and preaches the word of God as it should be preached, that is what matters, NOT his color!!!
I do feel sorry for you as an athiest. I know you will have something "cute" to say about this. But I feel sorry that the only thing you have to lean on is man. That is such a weak future. Not to look around at the wonders around you and realize the beauty and wonder of God. Poor little person.
Your names won't stop the conservatives, because we have something besides an Obama, Marx, Hugo Chavez, or Castro to lean on. We have been through much worse than you little people can say about us. We will survive, and we will prevail!!!! That is the truth!!!
About abortion. My belief is that it is a sin. It is wrong to murder a baby in the womb.
Obama PROMISED that the healthcare bill wouldn't cover abortions. That tax payers would have to pay for them. He signed a presidential order. That is how he go a group of dems to vote for it. As usual, his word is worth dirt.
And another thing, you can bet Muslims aren't aborting. You liberals are going to abort yourselves out of existance.
Obama promised that taxpayers WOULDN'T have to pay for abortions. (but they are)
And here was the discussion and "promise"ReplyDelete
Shows what his promises are worth.
If taxpayers can't tell government what to do, why all the demonstrations againt war, big business, churches, and charter schools?ReplyDelete
The French Foreign Legion...After DeGaulle got through with them they were nothing more than street janitors in Paris. They didn't even have Algeria any more.ReplyDelete
The theatres in Hong Kong played "God Save the Queen" before each screening.
The theater at the Club Alliance (largest EM club in the world at the time) in Yokosuka played the National Anthem before each screening.
As for the muslims... we should follow General Pershing's example from the Philippines in '13.
We should start lubricating all our ammunition from a hog lard derivative or send our troops pound boxes of Mrs Tucker's Hog Lard to dip their bullets in....
"Liberals, progressives, socialists and almost anyone with a decent education understand this. Conservatives don't, because conservatives are ignorant, childish, nostalgic assholes living in a fantasy world in which they can all be Daniel Boone."ReplyDelete
How opinionated a comment. Things are seldom so simple. If conservatives are so stupid and liberals so brilliant, how can they lose so many elections? Also witness the denial of what is written in a particular law by those that oppose that law.
Pack Rat and Buck.ReplyDelete
My sentiments exactly!!
GOD PITY THE IGNORANT BECAUSE I DO NOT.ReplyDelete
"Abortion is a good thing and there should be more of it."
bamsterbot quote if ever I seen one, God help us all from the mentality that can spew such an ignorant and anti-American, anti-freedom statement.
At 12:13 Nanna babbled:ReplyDelete
>This country is free for you to like
>or dislike [...]
>Other countries don't allow it.
WHAT countries "don't allow" someone to like or dislike them? Facts, please. No paranoid fantasies. Name those countries.
>You liberals don't give conservatives the
>right to think what they want without your
Really? Thanks for demonstrating that you know ab-so-lu-tely nothing about the history of your own country. Don't you know that it was conservatives who backed Sen. Joseph McCarthy and his anti-communist witchhunt? It certainly wasn't liberals, who are always supporters of freedom of thought and speech.
>I can't go express my views on
>Huffington Post. They block it.
The Huffington Post is a private website by and for people with intelligence and a progressive outlook. It is not public property and its managers may exclude any ignorant babble they like. Why would they allow a contribution from someone stupid enough to believe that "liberals don't give conservatives the right to think what they want?"
>But you feel free to come to a conservative
>web site and make fun of our beliefs
It's impossible to resist. Your "beliefs" are hilariously wacky and always wrong. Wildly, extravagantly wrong.
>Now as far as praying. Some students were
>at the Capitol building, and formed a circle,
>and were praying SILENTLY
The forming of the circle made it an organized prayer gathering, which is not allowed on public property. Had they simply stood around and prayed silently, no one would have even noticed. But that wasn't the point, was it? They wanted to test the law, and the law won. Screw 'em. There are a million churches in America. The Capitol building is not a church.
>our black preacher [...] preaches the
>word of God as it should be preached
How do you know that what he preaches is "the word of God?" God tell you?
>I do feel sorry for you as an athiest (sic).
Don't bother. Atheists are much better off than you, since we see the universe as it really is, not as some ancient book of childish myths and fairy tales tells us it is. So we are more in touch with reality, freer, less fearful and much, much happier.
>Not to look around at the wonders around
>you and realize the beauty and wonder of God.
You are so pathetically deluded, Nanna. I look around at the wonders around me and realize the beauty and wonder of the earth. I don't need a fictional supernatural spirit-thingy to help me appreciate the universe.
>We will survive, and we will prevail!!!!
You have already lost. You're just too damned dumb to realize it.
At 12:23 Nanna intoned:ReplyDelete
>My belief is that it is a sin.
No problem. So don't ever have one. And leave other people alone to make their own moral choices. But you can't, can you? Because, like all religion-wracked conservatives, you think you have the right to impose your own morality on others.
>It is wrong to murder a baby in the womb.
There's no such thing as a "baby" in a womb. What is in the womb is a zygote, embryo or fetus, but it's not a baby until it's born. Only a *person* can be murdered. Flushing an embryo from a woman's body is not murder.
>Obama PROMISED that the healthcare bill
>wouldn't cover abortions.
And it doesn't.
>As usual, his word is worth dirt.
No, yours is.
"While there is nothing in either bill requiring the benefits package to include abortion services, anti-abortion Democrats and Republicans suggest that will be the final outcome."
Fear-mongering "suggestions" from anti-abortion propagandists about what MIGHT happen do not change the health-care reform bill that President Barack Hussein Obama signed. That bill does not provide for publicly funded abortion.
You lose. Again.
I should not have to pay for anything I believe is a sin. If someone wants to pay for it, and it's legal, then that is their problem not mine.
Also, there are two states that have set up clinics for Abortion, to be paid for on the healthcare plan.The dems of course found a loop hole. They said besides an executive order does not trump what Congress has passed in the bill.
Scientists have said that a baby in the womb is just a fetus. Not alive, but the majority of doctors disagree. They say they are a live being. Which is what the Bible teaches, and what I believe.
You really should see the film "Silent Scream" It shows a baby screaming as it is being torn apart during an abortion. And to let one be almost born and suck it brain out is beyond brutal. You people think more and worry more about the dregs of the earth, like the 9/11 bombers, and those in Gitmo, than you do about the most helpless, innocent beings in this world. You think no more about snuffing out those innocents than you would stepping on a cockroach. But you cry scream and bemoan the terrorists "rights".
I pray that someday you will realize how wrong you are about everything, because someday, you along with us all, will stand before that Judgement seat, and have to answer for all of this.
And make no mistake Ivan, you can follow and insult all you want. WE WILL WIN!! The truth always does in the end.ALWAYS!!
From the text of the executive order:
"Section 1. Policy.
Following the recent passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (”the Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment"
Ivan you are a MORON! Please explain the basis, the real life knowledge you've experience to make the totally MORONIC statement that a baby can't be murdered in the womb? If you lack the expierience than please list the propaganda piece you read this out of. Once again you prove your utter stupidity beyond a doubt.ReplyDelete
Let's imagine for a moment you had sex with a female, let's try even harder to imagine it's a human female. Let's really stretch the imagination and let's pretend you got this obviusly blind and mentally impaired woman pregnant. Let's imagine that while on the delivery table a crazy person ran in an shot this imaginary female with bad taste and an obvious mental disorder that you impregnated in the stomach killing your unborn child. So according to your idiocy, he has only committed the crime of assault with a firearm, right? Because it couldn't be murder because it's still in the womb right?
O BTW, the courts have found many times through case laws that the unborn baby is murdered which means that it is a baby.
Please keep proving to us just how truly stupid you are. The entertainment value you bring us is invaluable.
Ivan needed remedial readingReplyDelete
Nanna:Now as far as praying. Some students were
>at the Capitol building, and formed a circle,
>and were praying SILENTLY
Ivan:The forming of the circle made it an organized prayer gathering, which is not allowed on public property. Had they simply stood around and prayed silently, no one would have even noticed.
And it was on the steps of the SCOTUS, not inside.
I would say cop was in error.
I would agree Pack rat, especially when you consider that every session of the SCOTUS begins with a prayer. you hear that IVAN? An organized prayer on public property.ReplyDelete
Thanks guys for the correction. I was unsure which building it was, so I assumed the Congress needed more prayer.ReplyDelete
I also assume that no one would have said anything if a Muslim would have thrown down his prayer rug, and began bowing and praying. Or if someone like Ivan had decided to burn a flag on the steps, or some other thing putting down Christians or Patriots. It seems to be a the "in" thing to do these days.
That book would require volumns! Ivan could fill up one just on his own insanities! I'll be right over.
We'll win simply because we're in the right. America is tired of idiots like Ivan and their ACLU lapdogs destroying our way of life.ReplyDelete
At 18:29, Nanna mumbled:ReplyDelete
>I should not have to pay for anything
>I believe is a sin.
I believe that making war is a sin. I take it, then, that you would be perfectly OK with me withholding that portion of my taxes that would go to the U.S. military, right? I also believe that killing people convicted of crimes is a sin. I take it, then, that you'd be OK with me withholding that portion of my taxes that would go to prosecuting and executing murderers, right?
>Also, there are two states that have
>set up clinics for Abortion
So what? I thought you rightoid types were all for states' rights. Or is that only until a state exercises a right you don't like?
>Scientists have said that a baby in
>the womb is just a fetus. Not alive
Nanna, you are so flamingly ignorant, or such a liar. No one has EVER said that a developing human in the womb is "not alive." No one. Of course it's alive. A zygote is alive. An embryo is alive. A fetus is alive. For that matter, a cyst is alive. But none of these is a "baby," and none of these is worth anything.
>[...] It shows a baby screaming as it is
>being torn apart during an abortion.
No it doesn't.
For one thing, there is no such thing as a "baby" in a womb. For another, since the developing human in the womb does not breathe through its lungs, it . . . cannot . . . scream. That film is a well-known fraud, a hysterical piece of propaganda no one but morons takes seriously.
>[...] But you cry scream and bemoan the
I am indeed concerned with the rights of PERSONS. I don't give a rat's ass about the fate of a fetus. A fetus is not a person. Only persons have rights. Fetuses are pre-conscious lumps of protoplasm, and nothing is lost by a fetus' destruction, except in the minds of you pathetically deluded victims of religion who insist on calling such a lump a "baby."
I think it's fascinating that you rightoids weep such bitter tears over the loss of partially formed, pro-conscious cellular matter inside a woman's womb, but are utterly undisturbed about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of *persons* a year due to war, starvation, unclean water.
A flushed fetus makes you cry. A Pakistani or Afghan child blown apart by one of your military's drone planes bothers you not at all.
How the hell did y'all get so astonishingly hypocritical? Is that what your religion teaches you?
>WE WILL WIN!!
You've already lost. You're dinosaurs and your day is done. America is moving on without you.
Destroying Ivy's insane comments.ReplyDelete
1. "WHAT countries "don't allow" someone to like or dislike them? Facts, please. No paranoid fantasies. Name those countries"
1.A. Search google. next
2."It certainly wasn't liberals, who are always supporters of freedom of thought and speech."
2A. BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! Enter fairness doctrine. Heck, speak to former Soviet Members of how much freedom of thought and speech they had! Or yet, Cuba!
3. "Why would they allow a contribution from someone stupid enough to believe that "liberals don't give conservatives the right to think what they want"
3A. Revert to 2A.
4."It's impossible to resist. Your "beliefs" are hilariously wacky and always wrong. Wildly, extravagantly wrong"
4A. There must be a lot of wackos then, since polls show more conservatives than libs.
5."How do you know that what he preaches is "the word of God?" God tell you"
5A. Read the bible.
6."Don't bother. Atheists are much better off than you, since we see the universe as it really is, not as some ancient book of childish myths and fairy tales tells us it is. So we are more in touch with reality, freer, less fearful and much, much happier."
6A. What happened to freedom of thought? BWHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAH
7."You are so pathetically deluded, Nanna. I look around at the wonders around me and realize the beauty and wonder of the earth. I don't need a fictional supernatural spirit-thingy to help me appreciate the universe"
7A. Says someone who knows as much as a bible as a hippy knows about the government!
8."You have already lost. You're just too damned dumb to realize it."
8A. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA. I'll give you that liberals have screwed America for years to come, that you are right about.
That was fun! Gunny, I love your stalker. He's a perfect example how drugs effect the human brain. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Ivan is just upset that his Lapdog Media, staffed by sucklers of liberal protrubences is swirling down the drain and bloggers and the alternative media are helping it get flushed!
You can't believe that something is a sin..You don't believe in sin. Remember???
Also, why do you care what happens to other people? There is no wrath to come for you to think about.
The principles that you seem to think you have about others dying, are things that were impressed on you by spirituaity. You don't want to admit it, but not wanting people to be tortured, or die, are the principles of Christianity. You just dodn't carry it far enough. You get caught up in the "scientists", and philosophy and believe you are the only smart ones, and the only ones with the answers. You deny God, yet any many ways believe in what he stands for.
If I didn't believe in God, I would have done whatever I wanted all my life. I wouldn't have worried about the feelings of others, and just made money for myself. If it meant killing or stealing, so be it. If this life is all there is, make the most of it.Why worry about species dying out, I won't be here. Why not kill my own? They are just a lifeform that crawled out of goo, and aren't worth any more than a spider, or mouse.
Either you are one or the other. Deny God all you want.Somewhere inside, you know He is real.
Even your scientists call these people I described as Psycopaths, and Narsisists. In ohter words if you don't have natural Christian princlples, you are mentally ill.
BTW, good rant on Ivan. Understand that he is simply not an American. He and his kind hate America, and that is why they work so hard to tear it down.
I had to laugh at your post. Can you imagine that idiot writing for a paper? Had to be some leftist rag better used as bird cage liner than reading materil.
Kudos on your destruction of Ivan's inane blather.
He mewls about poor Pakistani kids heedless to the suffering that Saddam foisted on his country.
I saw the bloody elevator in Al-Faw palace and talked to a couple of Marines who saw the dungeon underneath it. So foul it was put off-limits.
But to Ivan the moron, WE are the bad ones.
Guess what, we STILL have invocations from the Chaplain for our special events, i.e., the Marine Corps Balls and it is held on federal (public) land. SUCK IT!
Jim and Pack Rat,ReplyDelete
You both deserve huge kudos for crushing Lemmewink's lover boy. I simply cannot believe that this idiot really told us he was a "journalist!"
>You don't believe in sin.ReplyDelete
I use the word "sin" in a generic sense, connoting an evil act. I do not believe in heaven-ordained sin, since there isn't a scrap of evidence that it exists.
>why do you care what happens
>to other people?
Because I am a caring, sensitive, good-hearted, sympathetic human being who loves his fellow man.
>There is no wrath to come
>for you to think about.
Nor for you. There isn't an iota of evidence that there is "wrath" after death.
>not wanting people to be tortured, or die,
>are the principles of Christianity.
Are you saying that prior to Christianity, no one felt bad about people being tortured or dying? Don't be ridiculous, or more dishonest than you usually are. Christianity did not invent compassion.
> If I didn't believe in God, I would have done
>whatever I wanted all my life. [...] If it meant
>killing or stealing, so be it.
You are apparently saying that you are an evil-minded sociopath who is restrained from killing or stealing only because you fear punishment by a supernatural being. This makes me fear for the safety of those close to you.
For my part, I refrain from killing or stealing because I believe those things are hurtful and therefore wrong to inflict on my fellow humans and the society we share. Unlike you, I don't need the threat of punishment to avoid doing wrong. You are obviously a villain held in check by fear. I am not.
>If this life is all there
>is, make the most of it.
That would be my advice, yes.
>Deny God all you want.
>Somewhere inside, you know He is real.
Wrong again, Nanna. "Somewhere inside" I know the idea of God is a fairy tale, a myth created to explain a confusing universe to ignorant people and a yarn designed to deter would-be killers and thieves -- people like you, in other words -- from committing evil acts.
>In ohter (sic) words if you don't have
>natural Christian princlples,
>you are mentally ill.
Congratulations, Nanna. That is perhaps the absolute craziest piece of bullcrap I have heard in years.
It proves that if someone here is mentally ill, it sure as hell ain't me.
I have tried very hard to be nice to you. Now I understand what the bible says about "do not cast your pearls before swine, for they will turn and rend you"
There is no reasoning with a liberal athiest, much to my sadness.
I haven't been angry as yet, but you have and can't keep from saying hurtful things , which makes null your argument about being a "caring, sympatetic, good hearted, human being that cares about his fellow man.
You have continually spewed hateful retoric about my beliefs, my country, my God, my fellow Christians. You haven't said anything that was a real argument. It has been a continual hateful attack.
My mental state is just fine. I am not the one swearing at you. I haven't accused you of being a wacko, or a degenerate.
I just told you I don't think you can have all these feelings about your fellow man, when you don't think he is any better that a bug, or a mouse.
And many of you don't because the evronmentalists will let humans starve to save a fish that is about two or three inches long.People can need water, and beg for it, but these people will not let them have it to save a sturgon. Also, in other places, they stop projects to save a mouse.
You profess to let others have their ideas, yet you (as I said before) follow us around just to torment (to the best of your ability) and make fun, and say horrible things. Like I said, your big statement about how caring, and sympathetic, you are was blown in the next statements you made.
Your cover is blown.
You are a lying, cheating, knuckle dragging, liberal bafoon that is trying your best to make a itty bitty name for yourself by making others miserable. I am done with you now, as you are incapable of making any intelligent remarks.
Look for another playground!!!!
"Because I am a caring, sensitive, good-hearted, sympathetic human being who loves his fellow man"
yet he derides those who dare to disagree with him, calling them trash, morons and such.
Nanna:"You don't want to admit it, but not wanting people to be tortured, or die, are the principles of Christianity."
Ivan : "Are you saying that prior to Christianity, no one felt bad about people being tortured or dying? Don't be ridiculous, or more dishonest than you usually are. Christianity did not invent compassion"
Nanna did not say the Christians invented compassion, simply that it is a principle. Read first, then type. Less likely to make errors that way.
I am sure you admire and respect Smedley Butler. Why don't you read a little piece written by him called "War is Racket". To those of you who say that all we should follow is the constitution, I would like someone to point out to me where the constitution says anything about corporate personhood.
Good Lord!! Freedom has never been free. It is a constant struggle only by those who want to be free. Nowadays, standing up for your rights can be a revolutionary act.ReplyDelete
I can only suggest reading that new book out where Americans, in a small town do stand up to federal tyranny & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution.
Hey, the same issues are there again (high taxes, contintual foreign wars, bureaucrats crossing the land harassing the people).
It's a must read cause it could be our home town & us taking a stand. I recommend it.
Pack Rat and Anon,Thanks for the back up.ReplyDelete
Pack Rat, you saw things I missed, and answered them. Thanks
1. "Because I am a caring, sensitive, good-hearted, sympathetic human being who loves his fellow man."
2 "Are you saying that prior to Christianity, no one felt bad about people being tortured or dying? Don't be ridiculous, or more dishonest than you usually are. Christianity did not invent compassion"
2. WOAH!!! Petty attacks! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Is Ivan actually an adult?!
Suckling on the teat of government, Karl Marx, Alinsky, and insanity at the same time!!!
Ivan you're a coward. Of course you didn't have the balls to address my post. You still haven't told us where your expertise is derived from. Did you work in a NICU, an abortion clinic? How many babies have you killed? So according to you if a woman is delivering and you come in the delivery room and stab the baby through her stomach right before it pops out, that's OK right? Why don't you go try that and let us know how that works. Otherwise STFU you have no idea of what you are talking about and I'm sick of listening to your moronic nonsense.ReplyDelete
At 9:42, Nanna fumed:ReplyDelete
>Ivan, I have tried very hard to be nice to you.
Really? In this very space not more than two days ago you called me a "liberal pansy." Is that how you "try very hard to be nice?" If so, don't bother. Your "nice" seems equivalent to another's hateful spew.
>There is no reasoning with a liberal athiest (sic)
You can't reason with an atheist, Nanna, for the same reason you can't reason with anyone else -- you don't know how.
>I haven't been angry as yet, but you have
Wrong. Nothing you or anyone here could say could possibly make me angry.
>You have continually spewed hateful
>retoric (sic) about my beliefs
Your beliefs, so far as you have revealed them, are absurd. For example, you wrote that "not wanting people to be tortured, or die, are the principles of Christianity." Do you understand how bizarre this statement is? Where is enshrined the Christian "principle" that people should not die? How can a Christian ascend into Heaven if s/he doesn't die? You don't seem to really know very much about Christianity.
>You haven't said anything that was a
>real argument. It has been a continual
Dismissing my arguments as "hateful attacks" is a transparent and cowardly stratagem for declining to actually deal with them.
You're not fooling anyone.
>My mental state is just fine.
If you say so.
>I am not the one swearing at you.
As I've not sworn at you.
>I haven't accused you of being a wacko,
>or a degenerate.
I haven't accused you of being a degenerate, Nanna, but I confess that statements of yours such as "if you don't have natural Christian princlples, you are mentally ill" have persuaded me that you are a world-class wacko who probably sits at home wearing a tin-foil hat to keep atheists and liberals from invading your brain.
>evronmentalists will let humans starve
>to save a fish
This is a stupid rightoid lie right out of the Stupid Rightoid Lie Book all you wackos seem to have memorized.
>People can need water, and beg for it,
>but these people will not let them have it
>to save a sturgon (sic).
Another stupid rightoid lie. If it's not, cite a case where environmentalists denied people water in order to save a fish.
>You are a lying, cheating, knuckle
>dragging, liberal bafoon (sic) that
>is trying your best to make a itty
>bitty name for yourself by making
Is this you being nice to me again, Nanna?
I've read it and he was wrong but I always laugh when anti-war types bring that up. Clausewitz had the right of it. BTW, Butler died before Pearl Harbor so he may have retracted that statement on 7 Dec 41.
Your replies to Ivan the Witless are hilarious. Ivan is like the drunk you videotape and then laugh about the next morning. They refuse to believe anything until the video is played!
Ivan is a seminar poster, likely being paid off by a Soros organization, with their mission of fouling up Conservative sites. He's a liar but your posts are great reading.
Ivan and Lemmewinks need a long vacation on a desert island! haha
You did respond to my Butler statement saying he was wrong. Where is something besides your opinion to back that up? Also, where is the response to corporate personhood. I've never seen that in the constitution.
Ivan: "Another stupid rightoid lie. If it's not, cite a case where environmentalists denied people water in order to save a fish."ReplyDelete
Multiple examples whether you like or hate the subject laws:
Well, as usual, Ivan chooses willful ignorance and will not get out the mirror when he accuses the conservatives here of being racist and intolerant.ReplyDelete
(Remember, it could be implied, that intolerant thing...but Ivan only uses literal translation.)
He chooses to call us anti-American, but again avoids the mirror. It would really suck to be him, hey Nanna?
See, Ivan misses the fact that it's not the Country we dislike, it is the policies of the current Pied Piper/COWboy in chief that we have a problem with. Once again, willfully obtuse in his approach!!
We don't agree that growing Gov't which produces nothing is going to keep us where we need to be in the future.
We do not agree that the P2 apologizes for all that has come before to make this country great and continues to ignore what has been afforded him.
We do not agree that the gov't should own private industry.
We do not agree that it is fair to redistribute other people's money because others have not gotten off their collective asses to contribute to society. Plain and simple.
The problem for Ivan is that he misunderstands the US Constitution/Declaration of Independence.
The premise of being treated equally under the law, does not *EVER* guarantee equal outcomes! I should provide an example. See, I don't play trumpet, but two of my children do. Should I break their hands or sew their mouths shut, so we can be equal? It just isn't right that *I* cannot be musically inclined, therefore, I must control it so we are equal.
Yes, that is what Ivan wants. To mandate equality by stealing from others. People Like him will never get it. Collective anything is equal to collective punishment...Utopia is a frame of mind!!
Good morning all,ReplyDelete
When I wrote of the sturgeon. I was speaking of Georgia, in I believe it wa 2008. Georgia was suffering from a severe drought, and the environmentalists were taking thousands of gallons of water a day from Georgia's resevoirs, to give to the sturgeon, with people in trouble and begging them not to take the water, the enviros would give an inch.
In California, the enviros were saving a three inch fish, and witholding water from farmers. Farms were lost that had been run by families for generations. Their fruit trees dies, their avacado trees died, and many other crops. They begged and pleaded for water. Hannity even had a show from there to show their plight. But would the liberal enviros move and inch.Oh no!!
The fish won over humans, as usual.
And I didn't call Ivan a lying ,cheating,knuckle dragging liberal, until he left no doubt that he is one!!
The enviros would NOT give an inch
simply put...yes. Any people who oppose the Constitution of the United States in its written and literal form (not the liberal living, breathing one), are not welcome in this nation. Why don't you go to some nation that has a constitution you believe in?
Thx for the reply.
I did not know I was accountable to you.
Was Butler going senile when he stated that? Since actions speak louder than words, and Butler did not seem to have ANY problem going to war, I have to judge it along those lines. ALL nations seek to protect their interests and again, Clausewitz, IMHO, nailed war and politics.
As far as corporate personhood, would YOU open up a business and put YOUR personal assets as a liability? If YOU go under, YOU and your family lose everything? if that was the case, there would be no industry, which is exactly what the left is striving for.
At 6:06, Nee lied:ReplyDelete
>it's not the Country we dislike,
>it is the policies of the current
>Pied Piper/COWboy in chief that
>we have a problem with.
Nonsense. The only thing you rightizens really hate about this administration is that it's headed by a black man. As far as the *policies* of this administration go, you rightoids either misunderstand or misrepresent them, based on your uncontrolled paranoia -- witness your constant bleating about it's being "tyrannical," that it wants to restrict Americans' freedoms, that it's "socialist," that it wants to encourage illegal migration, etc., etc. All that is bullshit and you know it.
>We don't agree that growing Gov't
>which produces nothing is going to
>keep us where we need to be in the future.
Government "grows" mainly because of ever-increasing demands for services to the populace which, in case you haven't noticed, keeps growing. Government expansion is not the result of some nefarious plot, although you rightoids love to pretend that it is.
>We do not agree that the P2 apologizes
>for all that has come before
>to make this country great
And no one has.
>We do not agree that the gov't
>should own private industry.
There's no evidence that the U.S. gov't wants to own private industry. But it can't let a company like General Motors disappear into insolvency. Get a grip.
>We do not agree that it is fair to
>redistribute other people's money
Governments have ALWAYS "redistributed" money. It's called taxation.
>because others have not gotten off their
>collective asses to contribute to society.
>Plain and simple.
What's "plain and simple" is that you selfish rightoid douchebags always pretend that most recipients of government aid are lazy, undeserving good-for-nothings, because y'all are too damned cheap and coldhearted to contribute some of your money to help the poor, the sick, the old and those thrown into dire straits through no fault of their own. Witness your beloved Repuglicans refusing to extend unemployment benefits to those thrown out of work unwillingly.
It's instructive that you corporate tools never utter a word of criticism of the parasites who pocket billions of dollars through investments and financial manipulations without actually producing anything of value. Y'all are disgusting, dishonest and very stupid.
>The premise of being treated equally
>under the law, does not *EVER* guarantee
>Yes, that is what Ivan wants. To mandate equality by stealing from others.
Try finding a statement from me in which I suggest I want to "mandate equality," liar.
>Utopia is a frame of mind!!
So is dystopia.
Sadly, you don't know the difference.
At 10:41, The Crawfish croaked:ReplyDelete
>Any people who oppose the Constitution
>of the United States in its written
>and literal form (not the liberal
>living, breathing one), are not welcome
>in this nation.
Guess what, crusty? You're a half-bright, trailer-dwelling fool and, last I heard, not a member of the Supreme Court of the United States. That means you don't get to say which of the myriad of possible interpretations of the Constitution is "correct."
And you certainly don't get to say who is or is not welcome in the United States.
So have another slug of Wild Turkey and shut the fuck up.
At 13:31, The ever-ignorant Gunster scribbled:ReplyDelete
>As far as corporate personhood,
>would YOU open up a business
>and put YOUR personal assets as a liability?
>If YOU go under, YOU and your family lose
This is hilarious, Gunsel.
You obviously don't have the faintest idea what "corporate personhood" refers to, yet you rush into print as if you know what you're talking about, thereby revealing not only your laughable ignorance, but your reckless srtupidity.
Thanks for making my day.
I'm interested to know what 'corporate personhood"
John in MO
that should read "what 'corporate personhood' is"
John in MOReplyDelete
Ivan is good at making fun of people and using obscenities, but weak on answering questions not listed in his talking points.
"Liberals, progressives, socialists and almost anyone with a decent education understand this. Conservatives don't, because conservatives are ignorant, childish, nostalgic assholes living in a fantasy world in which they can all be Daniel Boone."ReplyDelete
July 16, 2010 10:28 AM by Ivan
Another fine example of the non-elitist, tolerant, thoughtful, scholarly like thought from a libidiot once again proving that liberalism is a mental disorder and an elitist jealousy disorder.
At 17:58, Anonymous queried:ReplyDelete
>I'm interested to know
>what 'corporate personhood" (is)
Glad to oblige, John.
Corporate personhood refers to various rulings by the Supreme Court of the United States -- most famously in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (1886) -- that for the purpose of the Constitution's 14th Amendment, corporations are to be regarded as persons, with most of the rights persons living in the U.S. enjoy.
Corporate executives and big investors, of course, absolutely love this interpretation, because it has enabled them to do many things that would not otherwise be tolerated from abstract, soulless, non-living conglomerations of people and money.
OTOH, many thoughtful folks who care about the fate of their country and their fellow man have deplored this development, since it has enabled corporations to claim human rights -- such as their "right" to influence elections and to use their vast resources to sue people -- when it suits them.
The corporations-are-persons decisions invested corporate entities with rights that were never contemplated by the country's Founding Fathers and are the primary reason why corporations now rule the world, and why there isn't a goddam thing you can do about it.
And now you see why the Gunster's ridiculous comment ("As far as corporate personhood, would YOU open up a business and put YOUR personal assets as a liability?") illustrated so perfectly his lack of understanding of the phrase and left me in paroxysms of hysterical laughter.
There's nothing funnier than a buffoon trying to pretend that he's not a buffoon.
As usual Ivan tells part of the story.ReplyDelete
The rest of the story from the same source.
"Proponents of corporate personhood believe that corporations, as associations of shareholders, were intended by the founders and framers to enjoy many, if not all, of the same rights as would the shareholders acting individually, such as the right to lobby the government, the right to due process and compensation before being deprived of property, and the right, as legal entities, to speak freely. All of these rights have been upheld by the U.S. courts"
Put the whole link up next time please.
Dead drunk at 4:41, Rack Pat grumbled:ReplyDelete
>As usual Ivan tells part of the story.
That still puts me 'way ahead of you.
>The rest of the story from the same source.
I didn't CITE a source, so you can't possibly know what, if any, source(s) I used. Nice try, but no ceegar, Ratty.
> "Proponents of corporate personhood
>believe" . . .
And I acknowledged that "Corporate executives and big investors, of course, absolutely love this interpretation."
>Put the whole link up next time please.
I didn't put ANY link up. And I don't take orders from the likes of you.
The fact is that you have refuted nothing, and have contributed nothing to this conversation. You are an idiot. Goodbye.
This my be oversimplified. So Corporations should have the the same rights as individuals simply because they are basically made up of groups of individuals. I that right?ReplyDelete
John In MO
Sorry, Should say "Is that Right?"ReplyDelete
John in MO
When the sentences can be found word for word on line, one can hardly claim that the thoughts are original or complete.ReplyDelete
At 10:24, Anonymous wrote:ReplyDelete
>So Corporations should have the same
>rights as individuals simply because they are
>basically made up of groups of individuals.
>I(s) that right?
That is indeed what previous U.S. Supreme Courts have ruled, and which the current court recently affirmed.
As I said previously, it's a position that's regarded as an abomination by people who don't want to live in a nation ruled by corporations, where rampant, unbridled exploitation is the predominant social and legal principle. But that's the nation we've got -- one in which corporations can spend consumers' money to get corporate-friendly candidates elected, one in which companies may sue governments to block legislation and programs they don't like, one in which corporations can drag individuals into court to sue them for slander, one in which police and other investigators must consider businesses' "civil rights" before they can demand that they produce documents and other types of evidence, and on and on.
Holding that corporations have most of the same rights as individuals is tantamount to saying that all people are equal before the law, except some, who are 900 feet tall, have unlimited funds and may do just about whatever they please.
These decisions represented a killing strike to American democracy and a low blow to the average citizen -- a citizen who would be outraged if s/he were allowed to actually consider its effects, instead of being lulled to sleep by shiny consumer goods and brainwashed by FoxNews and other weapons of untrammelled capitalism.
Hope that answers your question, John. Cheers.
At 11:59, Pat Rack lied:ReplyDelete
>When the sentences can be found word
>for word online, one can hardly claim that
>the thoughts are original or complete.
Absolutely true. Except, of course that, as you well know, MY sentences could not possibly have been "found word for word online" because I did not cut-and-paste or copy them, but actually wrote them my own self (I know -- you cannot possibly imagine such a process).
Congratulations on outing yourself as a foul, smelly and dishonorable liar, Ratty. It is what I expect from you and you never disappoint.
Bwa. Ha. Ha.
Ivan said: "Glad to oblige, John.ReplyDelete
Corporate personhood refers to various rulings by the Supreme Court of the United States -- most famously in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (1886) -- that for the purpose of the Constitution's 14th Amendment, corporations are to be regarded as persons, with most of the rights persons living in the U.S. enjoy"
Wikipedia: Corporate personhood
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The corporate personhood debate refers to the controversy (primarily in the United States) over the question of what subset of rights afforded under the law to natural persons should also be afforded to corporations as legal persons.
In the United States, corporations were recognized as having rights to contract, and to have those contracts honored the same as contracts entered into by natural persons, in Dartmouth College v. Woodward, decided in 1819. In the 1886 case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, 118 U.S. 394, the Supreme Court recognized that corporations were recognized as persons for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment"
So according to you Ivan, anybody who becomes part of a corporation should lose their rights granted in the Constitution. Right?ReplyDelete
John In MO
IVAN THE PLAGURIZER!ReplyDelete
Jim nabbed you Ivan, on your post on Corporate Personhood. Right outta wiki!
Dumbass "editor" and so-called "journalist" could not even come up with his own definition.
ALMOST under 100 DAYS till Nov and we can replace this 11% approval rated Kongress!
Did ya see, RANGEL CHARGED AND GOING TO TRIAL!
At 21:40, the ever-lying Gunster bleated:ReplyDelete
>Jim nabbed you Ivan, on your post on
>Corporate Personhood. Right outta wiki!
In fact, you stumbling dolt, if you could read, you'd have seen that the only thing Rat Packy proved is that I plagiarized nothing. You, moron, can't even spell plagiarize.
At 21:03, Anonymous egested:ReplyDelete
>So according to you Ivan, anybody who
>becomes part of a corporation should lose
>their rights granted in the Constitution.
If you really believe that anything I've said suggested anything of the sort, you are the sorriest nitwit here, outnitwitting even the wretched Gunsel.
In any case, you are a total fucking idiot.
More remedial reading classes needed for IvanReplyDelete
At 21:40, the ever-lying Gunster bleated:
>Jim nabbed you Ivan, on your post on
>Corporate Personhood. Right outta wiki!
In fact, you stumbling dolt, if you could read, you'd have seen that the only thing Rat Packy proved is that I plagiarized nothing. You, moron, can't even spell plagiarize.
So good at editing everyone else's posts, not so great at his own. Can't tell difference between Jim and Pack Rat. And with Anon instead of responding , Ivan goes off on an obscene rant.
At 5:29, with his dumb head sloshing with cheap whiskey, Rat Pack blurted:ReplyDelete
>More remedial reading classes needed
>Can't tell difference between Jim and Pack Rat.
If you weren't so drunk, and such a complete asshole, you'd have seen that it was the wretched Gunster who confused you and Jim, not me. I was only quoting Gunsel. And yes, you should be embarrassed, for being the brainless fool that you are.
**And this marks my last visit to this particular thread. Look for me waaaaay up higher.**
Ivan had to think hard, so he has gone to get high.
No proof that he did not plagiarize.
PS plagiarize= "as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work."
Ivan is always talking about trailer houses and cheap whiskey.ReplyDelete
Must be things he is familiar with.